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Welcome to #FeaturedFridays the show where I curate content from the web, interview interesting people, post guest blogs, and sometimes rant a little bit.
In this episode I talk about Transformation and Network Marketing with guest Julian Doan!
On this episode, we talk about Transformation and network marketing with Mr. Julian Doan.
Jusstin: What’s up, everybody? This is Jusstin Williams, the Social Introvert Dad, and this is Episode 8 of Featured Fridays. I got a nice, little interview for you guys today. I am recording on location, at my interviewee’s house. I’m not going to reveal who he is right away, but I just wanted to welcome you all to the show today. I’m super excited. It’s actually really early for me to be doing a show. As you know I do them on Thursdays and release them on Fridays. It’s like ten o’clock. Usually I do this like 2:00, 3:00 in the afternoon. Now, fair warning, we are outdoors, so you are going to hear a little bit of nature, you will hear some trucks passing by, and if we get attacked by bugs, you might hear two grown men screaming. But yeah.
So my interviewee for today, he’s 29-years old. 29-years old, right? Perfect. He’s 29-years old. He’s a successful entrepreneur, network marketer. I mean he’s been a friend for a long time. It’s funny because I’ve actually known him since high school, so I’ve actually known him for a while, got to know him a little bit more over the last couple of years, seen his success, seen him grow, seen him help lots and lots of people be successful. So I’m actually honored to be able to interview him today. That is Mr. Julian Doan. Feel free to say “what’s up” to everybody.
Julian: Hello, hello. What’s up, listeners? Thank you for listening in and supporting my friend. I’m excited to share whatever I have to share. Hopefully, you can find some value in that. My goal today is to be able to move, touch, and inspire you in some type of way, open up possibilities, and get you inspired to take some new action in different areas of your life.
Jusstin: Awesome. That was a great intro from a guest. I’m going to have them do all of my intros. So yeah. This is Julian Doan. Like I said, I’ve known him for a while. So Julian, I know your story. I’ve known you since high school. I’ve seen a lot of your story. But for the two people in the world that don’t actually know you, could you just briefly go over your story for them?
Julian: I mean, my story’s pretty simple. I grew up with two immigrant parents. A lot of people in network marketing, they tell you some crazy story, but my story is not really that unique or that crazy. I wish I did, but I had two really great parents. They came from another country. But it wasn’t like we were broke. My parents worked hard. We always had food on the table. We always got time to spend together. So for me, my family life was pretty okay.
On the other end though, where my story’s pretty interesting is in high school. I was kind of the socially awkward kid, the geeky Asian kid that played Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! and read comic books. I know for all the young listeners that are maybe between 18 and 23, you think that’s cool, but you have to understand, I went to high school in 2001 to 2005. So back then, it wasn’t cool. I was picked on, I was made fun of, and I just tried really hard to be liked and to have a lot of friends. I kind of was a social outcast. Jusstin was probably my only real friend that I had, and so (I should give you an idea of how Jusstin was) so he can confirm the story. But yeah. That’s kind of my story.
I found network marketing at 18-years old, had no idea really what I was taking a look at, but you know, when I saw it, maybe I was just looking for something to be excited about. When I saw network marketing, I saw a way to reach my full potential but at the same time become a catalyst for other people reaching their full potential. Because of network marketing, it opened up a lot of doors for other business ventures and other things I’ve been able to do. I mean, that’s kind of my story in short version.
Jusstin: Awesome, awesome. That was actually a, yeah, pretty informative. I mean, I guess let the listeners know how I was in high school. But alright, let’s move—
Julian: Jusstin, if I were to think about Jusstin in high school, it would be a brown, south-pole jumpsuit with a brown hat and his old school Siemens phone and me and him hustling blank CDs before other people knew how to burn music.
Jusstin: Hah, yeah, yeah, man. It was funny. That’s funny. I was actually talking about that on my last interview with my brother about how, when you’re an entrepreneur, a lot of times, it manifests as you’re growing up. For us, it was just selling burned CDs. For other people, it was selling licorice or candy or chips or anything. It’s just funny that we do these things as we’re younger. We don’t really know that we’re entrepreneurs. We just know that we’re hungry and we want a little bit more.
Now, funny story. I’ve known him since high school, but after high school, we actually kind of lost touch for a little bit, and then reconnected shortly after that. Now, when we reconnected, I was going to college. Have you ever gotten to college?
Julian: Yeah, I went to Riverside Community College for about a year, and that’s kind of—honestly, I like school. You know what I mean? I’ve come to appreciate school. I know for some of you who are listening in that might be in network marketing or whatever it is or you might be in college right now doing network marketing, sometimes, you hear people bash school, saying, “Hey, school’s a scam. It’s a bubble that’s about to pop. Yada yada yada.” Some of that I agree with. I don’t believe that someone should go to college for something that they’re not passionate about, for something they don’t want.
But I would say that school’s valuable because it teaches you two things, and it’s usually discipline or rigor. I mean if you think about it, college is not the same thing as high school. You volunteer to show up. No one cares if you show up or not. No one cares if you do homework or not. It’s all on you. But what’s exciting is that if you graduate, it teaches you discipline or rigor, because everybody wants to become successful but very few people are willing to do what it takes to become successful. It’s kind of like everybody wants the outcome, but very few want to be part of the process.
What school teaches you that I think is very rare for other people to experience is, think about it, no one likes homework, no one likes going to classes, no one likes taking tests, but you understand that you have to do the things that are uncomfortable, the things you don’t want to do to get the results you want. I think so many people today are so feelings-driven that if they don’t feel like doing it, if it doesn’t feel good, or if they don’t like it, then they’re not going to do it. Then they wonder why they’re not where they want to be at.
I totally know that wasn’t a question, but just so you know, yes, I did go to college for a year. And then I tried going back again when things weren’t working out. I went to Westwood College. That was a scam for sure. I don’t even know if they’re still around. And then I went back a third time because I was dating a girl that was just fed up of me being broke and tried to get me go back to school. I actually got straight A’s, which is pretty exciting. But then I quit and I started making money in network marketing.
Jusstin: Alright, cool, cool, cool. So this is a question that I, more or less, wanted to know. Do you feel like you identify more with being an introvert or an extrovert? And do you feel like this has helped or hindered your career?
Julian: That’s an interesting question. I would say I’m more of an extrovert. Since you’re my friend and we’re doing a podcast, I’ll be somewhat vulnerable and intimate. I guess, because I always say that I was an introvert, I always like friends, I always like being around people. In high school, it was because I felt lonely, I felt like I didn’t have a lot of friends, no one really understood me, so that’s why I tried so hard. I really didn’t have any friends. After I became successful, I just liked being around people because I know what it’s like to not be around people. That’s why I’m also so giving, because I know what it’s like to not have anything. So I would say I classify myself as an extrovert.
Honestly, up until recently, it’s been uncomfortable to be alone. I couldn’t stand being alone. I couldn’t go eat out by myself. I mean you hear stories about introverts where they can’t order at the fast-food line because they’re so introverted or they can’t call the pizza line. For me, I couldn’t go anywhere by myself. I can’t even go to the car by myself. It’s like, “Hey, do you want to go with me?” or whatever it is. Lately, I had a breakthrough and I identified why I didn’t like being by myself, and now I’m starting to enjoy being by myself. So I would say if I had to classify myself, it would be an extrovert, but I don’t mind being an introvert too.
Jusstin: For sure, for sure. Now let me just tell you, man, doing stuff by yourself IS awesome. I went to the movies the other day by myself, and it was great. I went and saw the new Jason Bourne movie, didn’t have to worry about where I was going to sit, didn’t have to worry about if I wanted snacks or not. I can just do my thing and just chill.
Julian: And save more money, at least for me.
Jusstin: Yeah, I don’t worry. I’m not dating anybody, so I definitely save money when I go to the movies. But yeah, it’s fun doing stuff for yourself to be honest, like dinner, lunch. You get weird looks. People are just like, “Who’s that guy by themselves?” But what I find funny is that when people find that weird, I find it funny that they think it’s weird. Like, why is it weird to enjoy time with myself?
Julian: I think it is. I think it’s because so many people identify that, if you’re by yourself, like you go to the movies by yourself or you go eat by yourself, you probably don’t have any friends and you’re a loser. Not saying that’s what I thought, but I always thought like, “Hey, man, if you’re going to go eat and you have friends, why go by yourself?”
But you know what? I found a lot of solace by myself. I mean now, that when I drive or when I go eat or watch a movie, I can appreciate myself more, being by myself, being with my thoughts. You know what? I think a lot of people out there need to be more in touch with themselves instead of avoiding and trying to disconnect with the external.
Jusstin: Got you, got you. For sure, man. I agree. Alright, so we’re going to jump into the next section of questions. Now, I feel like—I mean, again, I know you so I’ve heard interviews, I’ve seen you on stage, I’ve read interviews, and it seems like everybody that wants to talk to Julian Doan wants to know about his network marketing success. Of course, we will get to that, but what I wanted to talk about is something that people don’t know a lot about you, and that’s the work that you do with Transformation. For the people that don’t know what Transformation is, can you tell them what it is in a little bit of a nutshell?
Julian: When you hear the word “transformation”, it’s not fitness. So what we do with Transformation is more personal effectiveness and emotional intelligence. The easiest way I can explain it, the line of work that I do with transformation, it’s a seminar program. Unlike most seminars where it’s very—most seminars are didactic where you have someone on stage, they’re speaking, there’s a PowerPoint, you’re taking notes, and you’re understanding it on a cerebral level, Transformation is a little bit different in the sense that it’s all experiential.
It’s kind of like how life works. In life, you are given a test first then you learn a lesson, right? In school, like most seminars, you’re taught a lesson first then you’re given a test. Well on Transformation, what ends up happening is we land a couple of distinction, share a couple of thoughts to kind of open up the possibilities, then we do a process where it’s an experiential process—you do that with some other people—then afterwards, we open it up for sharing. Through that, you get a chance to see how you operate in your life, how it’s a mirror of your life, and how you interact with other people.
I’ll give you an example. One process that we do in the workshop is we have everybody blow up a balloon, and we have them tie it to their feet, and the only instructions we tell them, “Okay, for the next five minutes, protect your balloon.” That’s all we tell them. As soon as we say “go”, what ends up happening is you see people cowering, trying to protect their balloon. We see other people deliberately going out there trying to pop other people’s balloons. And we see people who are playing it safe, and then once they lose their balloon, they’re like, “You know what? Eff it, I’m going to go pop everybody else’s balloon.” And then at the end of it all, one person has their balloon not popped, and they’re like, “Yeah, I won!” And they’re all celebrating. Everybody else is sad. Everybody else is upset. And then we go, “Okay, cool. Who said there had to be a winner?”
And then we start sharing and say, “What was the rules of the process? What exactly was the rules that we laid out?” and someone would say, “Protect your balloon.” And we would say, “Did we say you had to pop other people’s balloon? Did we say, ‘Yeah, do this’? Did we say, ‘Yeah do that’?” And then all of a sudden, lightbulbs are going off and we go, “Where else does that show up in your life? How is this a mirror to how you operate in your life?” And people are, “Oh man, I operate on scarcity,” “I do this,” “I do that,” “Sometimes I’m scared people are out to get me so I get them first,” all these different things.
Jusstin: That’s crazy.
Julian: Yeah. I mean, you know, you can read a book on how to ride a bike, you can watch YouTube videos on how to ride a bike, but the only way to do it is to actually ride a bike.
So what we create is that safe space where people can practice being vulnerable. People can practice being confident. People can practice being intimate. Because of that, they can create it outside in their life.
Jusstin: Awesome. Okay, cool, cool, cool. I’m sure people got a good understanding there. Now, how did you first become involved with Transformation? What was your first “exposure”?
Julian: Shout out to Clif Braun, one of my closest friends. I was in a network marketing company. I did a lot of personal development, and I thought Transformation and personal development was the same thing actually. But you know what I’ve come to realize, is that personal development can actually hurt more than it could do good. I’m just throwing it out there because a lot of people do personal development, now they just have more clever ways to cover up their BS. You know what I mean? More clever ways to justify their things. I notice that people understand and can speak to distinctions, but they’re not living the distinctions.
So anyways, in 2009, I was in a company and Clif Braun recommended me to take this course. I went in, I thought I already knew everything, and it totally revolutionized my life. I went there. I was 210 lbs. at that time. I was in an emotionally abusive relationship that I didn’t know how to handle. At the same time, as far as network marketing, the biggest team I ever had active at one time was probably 10 to 15, the most money I’ve ever made in a year is probably $1,000 to $2,000. That wasn’t every year. That was just the biggest I’ve ever made in five years.
I took the course and 90 days after, I made my first $10,000 month, everything started to change, and I said to myself, “Man, one day, I will love to become a trainer and open up my own center,” because I want to give back because I believe there are so many people like me or worse than I am or even better than I am that are not where I’m at.
And things just kind of changed in… 2014? 2014, yeah. I was getting burned out with the company I was at. I was just not happy and the universe has a way of pushing you towards the things that you want and end up opening my own center and becoming a certified trainer. It’s really a chance for me to give back, and that’s really where I get a lot of my significance.
I still love network marketing. That’s my bread and butter. But Transformation is just different. It’s like network marketing without the products and the services and without the comp plan. It’s just purely taking a stand for people, opening up possibilities where before they only saw limitations in such a way that they’re inspired to take new action. It’s cool, man. It’s SO cool.
Jusstin: Wow, wow. Yeah, man. It sounds like you fuckin’ love it. We can curse on this podcast because I’m all about being authentic.
Julian: Oh fuckin’ god.
Jusstin: So don’t feel like you got to hold back.
Julian: You know me too well (laughter).
Jusstin: So yeah. And it’s cool. You kind of touched on what I wanted to get on next, which was why you opened a Transformation center, which you kind of answered. Now, what’s the name of your Transformation center?
Julian: V3 Transformation. What V3 stands for, it’s an acronym. It stands for “Veni, vidi, vici”, “I came, I saw, I conquered”. That kind of summarized our three training courses. It starts with the basic, the advanced, and the legacy. Basic is really where you show up, “I came”. What do you learn in the basic? Well, it’s an opportunity for yourself to discover and redesign your underlying assumptions out of which you live your life in such a way that you experience profound shift with yourself and your relationships and where you’re able to pursue your heartfelt commitments with passion and freedom.
The advanced is where—“I saw” and that’s where you’re going to see what’s possible. You see, one, the results of how you’ve been showing up in your life, the results that created, and more importantly, you get a chance to see the possibilities of breakthrough.
And then the last one, “I conquered”, it’s where you get to conquer your self-limiting beliefs and apply and integrate your breakthroughs and your discoveries and just make it permanent in your life.
Jusstin: Awesome. Okay, cool, cool, cool. Alright. So my next question for you is “do you have any current mentors?”
Julian: I have a lot of mentors. Clif Braun has always been a really good friend of mine. I talk to him almost every single day. He’s a bestselling author. He wrote the book, Social Marketing, the number two book I think right now in Amazon. It was number one for a little bit.
Jusstin: Oh, wow. It’s a good book too.
Julian: And the only book that beat it is Go Pro by Eric Worre.
Jusstin: Which is also a good book.
Julian: Eric Worre’s book is really good, but the reason I like Clif Braun’s book (I’m not getting paid to promote this, but I’m just putting it out there) is because it’s written in story form. Facts tell, stories tell.
The one thing that I’ve learned from my previous mentor is that the best books to read are autobiographies. The reason why is because your brain can’t tell the difference between when you’re actually doing it or when someone else is doing it. And so when you’re reading the autobiography, what ends up happening is that the lessons that they share in the book, if you’re really reading it, it creates neural pathways in your own mind. It’s almost like you went through that whole experience. You gain all that without having to go through it. And so because Braun’s book is kind of an uncensored version of the good, the bad, the ugly, and the horrible in network marketing and also the silver lining, and so Clif Braun is my mentor.
Gentleman John Hanley who created Lifesprings. There’s a lot of Transformation companies out there. MITT is a really big one. Preston Smiles is something that’s super huge. There’s a podcast by a guy named Lewis Howes. They’re all graduates of MITT. PSI Seminars, Discovery, LifeWorks, there’s a lot of big name ones, but it all comes from his work and they license it from him. So he’s my mentor. All of our Transformation work is based on him.
Jusstin: Awesome, awesome.
Julian: Honestly, anybody can be a mentor. You can learn from anybody. It doesn’t matter—
Success is so broad. A lot of people think this is financial, but I mean like Jusstin Williams is my mentor. I’m learning a lot about podcasting. No, I’m dead serious, you know. I mean for me, I’ve always wanted to do podcasting. I always wanted to blog. But honestly, I was kind of a little bitch, and I was just thinking, “Man, I don’t have the time.” I was like, “Man, how am I going to even get started,” and just seeing Jusstin do his thing is inspiring.
Jusstin: Thank you.
Julian: It’s just sometimes you just got to not know how to do it. You just got to get committed to doing it, so Jusstin’s my mentor. Honestly, anybody out there that’s doing something that’s getting a result, they could be your mentor. Don’t be shy or scared or whatever it is or have too big of an ego to reach out and ask for support and learn.
Jusstin: Awesome. Okay, cool, cool. I like that. Obviously, mentors have impacted your life over the years. We don’t even need to go over that question. What I want to do now is I want to jump into a little bit about your network marketing career because I know there are people out there that are wanting to get into network marketing or have been in network marketing for any amount of time. So of course, they’re going to want some insight from someone that has experienced success, someone that I look to as a professional in the industry.
Because I’ve met a lot of networkers, I’ve seen a lot of networkers on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter, and this and that and the other, and a lot of them, they lack the integrity or they lack the—not even the integrity but the willingness to actually train up their people. There are far too many people in this industry that get people started, sign them up, and then just kind of leave them to the wolves.
Julian: What about the people that are good at training but they don’t live the training? How about that one?
Jusstin: Yeah, for sure. And these people, they leave them to the wolves and it’s just like, you can’t do that. These people, they look up to you to guide the way and to help them to get to the places that they want to go. So it’s just like it sucks to see people do that, and I’m very thankful to have been in an organization that didn’t operate that way, because I just see some of these networkers and just the things that they say online and they do online, and it’s just like—even the ones that kind of get burnt out in the industry and down talk the industry and say that it’s not worth it or this and that or the other, and a lot of the times it’s because they were either involved with a bad company or they were involved with a bad person. Realistically, there are really good people out there. There are really good companies out there. Anyway.
Julian: I mean there’s good people in bad companies. There’s bad people in good companies.
Jusstin: Exactly, exactly. But I’m ranting. So how long have you been in network marketing now?
Julian: 10 years, man. 10 years as of September 22nd. 10 years. I got started September 22nd, 2005. Yeah.
Jusstin: Okay, cool, cool, cool. Let’ see. Now, has the journey been easy for you? I know you said you didn’t make a whole lot of money that first five years, but what about like emotionally, how has the journey been?
Julian: Definitely it’s ups and down. I think anytime that you’re trying to be a high achiever, whether it’s in sports, network marketing, or whatever it is, you will experience the lowest of lows, but you’ll also experience the highest of highs. So emotionally, was it easy? No. Physically, was it easy? No. But then you really think about it. What’s worth is very seldomly easy and what’s easy is very seldomly worth it. I think you got to be able to take the good and the bad.
I mean if you take a look at network marketing, you take a look at when people get promoted and recognized, that’s supposed to be like their biggest moment, their most proudest moment. They hit a major milestone, they get recognized on stage in front of thousands of people. But you notice when they get recognized, what do they do? They start to cry. Even the toughest of people, right? The manliest of men starts to cry and what do they start talking about? All their challenges and all their obstacles.
The reason why I think they do that because in that moment, they recognize that everything that they went through was worth. Everything they went through was worth. And I think a lot of people confuse success with recognition of success, so it’s like, “Hey, man, once I hit that rank I’m successful,” or, “Once I cross that stage I’m successful.” But it’s like, “No, man. That’s the recognition of success.” You become a success every time you endure all the difficult, all the emotional things because those moments where it’s easy for you to quit and you move forward, that’s a success.
I’m telling you, I went through everything from unapproving significant others, unapproving parents. I’ve gone through parents kicking me out, saying I’m not their child and then continue to do network marketing. I have my mom cry saying that she feels responsible for the reason why I’m where I’m at when I wasn’t doing well. You know what I mean? I’ve had an ex-girlfriend that cheated on me with my top leaders, you know what I mean, while I had to go to the meetings and see him in the front row. I mean I’ve experienced all of that.
But you know what though? I wouldn’t trade it for anything. I’ve come to learn that everything is perfect and nothing ever happens to you. They happen “for you”.
Jusstin: Exactly, man. I’ve been saying that for the last couple of years. Sometimes it’s definitely hard to get your head wrapped around that when you’re in the midst of what’s going on. But yeah, I say that all the time that things don’t happen to you, they happen for you.
It’s not apparent right away. You don’t realize that until like, you know, a while later and you’re just like, “Yo! You know what? That was good that that happened.” It sucks because sometimes as I try to explain that to my friends when they are going through things, and they’re like, “How is this good for me?” I’m just like, “It’s not going to make sense right now, but in a couple of weeks, a couple of months, maybe even a couple of years, it makes sense.”
I’ve dealt with toxic relationships before and have come back from them. In the middle of it, I was just like, “Yo, why is this happening to me? I’m a good person.” This and that and the other, yada yada yada—
Julian: That’s the worst feeling.
Jusstin: Yeah, it really is.
Julian: Like, “I did everything right. I did everything I’m supposed to do.”
Jusstin: I mean I don’t even feel like I did—I don’t feel like I did everything right, but I think I do a lot more right than some other guys that I know, so it’s just like, “Yo, why is this happening?” But now, I realize we just weren’t like on the same path, and this was the universe’s way of kind of letting me know that. The funny thing is another thing that I always say is that the universe lets you know, it’ll teach you lessons, and every time it has to teach you the same lesson, it’s going to hurt more until you actually get it and you make some changes.
Julian: Yeah, you have to change your life or life will force you to change your life, and when life does it, it’s not really good.
Jusstin: Yeah, exactly. So yeah, man. You kind of touched on it about some things that go on in the network marketing industry.
Julian: I’ll share with you, network marketing or life, it’s called the five-five rule. If it’s not going to matter in five years, don’t waste more than five minutes on it. If you’re going to look back and laugh one day, just laugh now – to yourself, just laugh now.
Jusstin: Yeah, I feel it, man. I feel it. I mean I kind of operate on that with certain things. It’s harder with other things, but I definitely am really good at dropping bad feelings and feeling sad about things, especially things that I can’t change right now in the here and now.
Julian: Sometimes people think I’m cold. You know what I mean? Like my girlfriend, when certain things happen, let’s say someone leaves my organization or someone that was really close to me that I took care of, you know what I mean? I guess you can look at it as backstab or whatever it is and start doing what they’re doing, and I’m not affected by it. And my girlfriend sometimes says, “Man, are you a robot?” Like, “How can you be so cold?” Like, “Why doesn’t it faze you?” I just say, “Man, never be surprised by why people do what they do. At the same time, it’s never clearly black and white. Oftentimes, it’s a reflection of them, not you.”
Jusstin: Yeah, for sure, for sure. All right. So—
Julian: I like to rant too as you can tell.
Jusstin: No, it’s good. It actually makes for a really fun—
Julian: If you’re still listening at this point, you’re a champion and you’re committed to success. Just kidding.
Jusstin: It makes for a fun podcast when we can actually get a conversation going. That’s why I like, really, the interviews versus the monologues because I feel like interviews are way more fun to listen to. I listen to interviews all the time on podcasts, and they’re always very interesting just to hear the viewpoints of the two people, especially if they have opposing viewpoints.
Anyway, you’re kind of touching about this on the current state of network marketing, but how do you feel about the industry right now about how everything is going? Is there anything that you would love to see change?
Julian: It’s a lot different in 2016 than it was in 2005. In 2005, there was not a lot of young people doing networking. It’s kind of crazy because in 2005, getting someone to read Rich Dad, Poor Dad, getting someone to read Think and Grow Rich or How to Win Friends and Influence People was like a chore, people were like, “Why do I got to read these books? Why do I got to listen to these tapes?” It’s crazy doing the business now. I mean 18-year-olds are not in network marketing. They’ve never done network marketing. They’re now reading this stuff, now open to this information.
It’s exciting because it just goes to show that our generation’s changing. People are now more open. People are now looking for the answers. People are so and so waking up, and so in 2016, you see a lot of young people doing network marketing. That’s the good.
The bad, well, I blame the MTV generation so to speak. The only thing I don’t like is a lot of young people—and I’m guilty of this too. I post pictures of me in front of a car and all this other stuff, but there’s a lot of people out there that use cars, money, or whatever it is to kind of entice people to join. I don’t know. Maybe because I’m getting older. I’m 29 now, whatever it is, but I think if you have the market that way for people to join, sometimes, you’re going to attract not necessarily the best of people that have the wrong expectations.
Jusstin: Definitely, definitely.
Julian: And we’re seeing a blowback of that. We’re seeing the FTC now jumping into the industry, really cracking down. I mean you saw what happened with Vemma and the whole YPR movement, all these different things.
Jusstin: Yep, very sad.
Julian: I think we just got to really get clear about what we’re doing, to share with people, yeah, there’s a huge opportunity to make a lot of money. But let’s be honest, most people are not going to make that money. I’m going to tell you just straight up. Can everybody make big money? Absolutely. Will most people make big money? Most people won’t. They go, “Do people fail in network marketing?” The same amount of people that fail in everything. What’s cool is network marketing will very quickly let you know whether you’re meant to be an entrepreneur or not. That’s what I believe.
If we just get back to really promoting the service, promoting the opportunity, but more so—I don’t know. For me, I promote more personal growth maybe because that’s what I got the most out of network marketing, and I think personal development comes before the fortune. So that’s why I promote that. Just helping people become better people.
In network marketing, that’s something I probably want to see changed, is less enticement, more relationships than marketing.
Jusstin: Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, man. Okay, cool, cool, cool. Now, what is some advice you can give to a brand new network marketer or even just a brand new entrepreneur, like to kind of jumpstart their journey?
Julian: The best advice I can give—and it’s not just for network marketer and entrepreneur. Honestly, it’s anything in your life this advice can apply. I’m a big believer in the saying “be, do, have”. We live in a society—in Western society, it’s more “have, do, be”, right? “If I have the car, then I can do this, then I can be successful, I could be happy.” We live in a place where people attach who they are to what they acquire. For me it’s “be, do, have”. What I mean by that, well, you got to look at “what do you want to have?” and ask yourself, “Who do I need to be?”
Here’s what I tell people. If you’re getting started in network marketing, entrepreneurship, whatever it is, fast-forward to the future and just imagine you’re where you want to be at, everything worked out perfectly. And then ask yourself, “Who did you need to be to make that happen?” It’s kind of like looking past tense.
For example, let’s just say for your podcast, you want to have a million subscribers, right?
Julian: So we look forward to the future going, let’s just imagine, Jusstin, that you now have a million subscribers. You’re there. Who did you need to be to have a million subscribers? Who did you need to be to be the number one podcast, whatever it is, whatever your goal is? And then you start saying qualities, right? Whatever it is. Like, “I would be consistent, committed,” whatever, whatever.
What’s crazy about that is we already know the answer. If I tell you, “Okay, who did you need to be to have that result?” You would say the answers. If I were to tell you, “Okay, in network marketing, with what you know right now, getting started, imagine you have the million dollars, the lifestyle, your family retired. Who did you need to be?” not, “What did you need to do?” but who did you need to be to have those results? And then people would say all these different things. Whatever answers come up, that’s—
So how do you do that? By living your future now, by being committed to being that person now, not becoming that person, being that person. And so that’s my best advice, is who do you need to be and make a decision to be that every day until you have it.
Jusstin: Wow. That’s pretty powerful. Now, I’m sure everybody knows by now just by listening to you speak, you have a certain amount of charisma and charm. I remember you in high school—
Julian: Are you hitting on me?
Jusstin: No, not at all, not at all. I remember you in high school, and I don’t remember that charisma and charm. So do you feel like that was something that was always in you or is that something that you developed overtime throughout the industry?
Julian: It came from a realization. I think up until Transformation, I was trying really hard to be like everybody else. So those people that worked with me in network marketing before, some of them are like, “Ah, dude, you’re just like Tim Herr,” who’s one of my mentors, or, “You’re just like Chris Cannon,” or “you’re just like this, like that”, and it wasn’t really me being me so to speak.
I think my first five years, no charisma and socially awkward came from a need to be liked. I need to get people’s approval. So everything I did, there was an underlying conversation there saying, “Okay, will people like me if I do this? Will people accept me if I do this?” and because that became inauthentic and people know when you’re trying hard.
Jusstin: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Julian: Once I fell in love with me, all of me, good, bad, ugly, whatever it is, I accepted me for me. I love myself anyways. It allowed me to free myself up and do the things I want to do, which is not really different than what I did before, but there’s an authenticity and confidence behind it that people appreciate.
I read this quote a long time ago. It says “Hey, if you want to be number one, you got to be odd.” So many people spend so much time trying to fit in, but if you think about it, if you succeed in fitting in, then you’re just like everybody else.
Julian: If you think about the most successful people, they’re pretty eccentric and weird, but it’s because they accept themselves, love themselves. I think that’s what we admire about them, and that’s what draws us in.
Jusstin: Yeah, for sure. Definitely I agree with that sentiment that if you fit in, you’re going to be average. A lot of times, what average people have is what not really what you want. Average people have debt, average people struggle, average people have stress. All of these things that are equated with being average is just like, “Yo, if these aren’t the things that you want, then you have to be willing to stand out and kind of walk your own path and explore the things that you’ve always wanted to do.”
Now, what I want to do right now is just to jump into some of the fan questions.
Julian: My fans or your fans?
Jusstin: My fans, my fans. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to tap your fans because we kind of scheduled this interview kind of last minute. But yeah.
The first question comes from Miss Andrea Williams, who you might know as my mom. She says—
Julian: Your mom’s awesome.
Jusstin: She is awesome. She says—
Julian: That wasn’t a mom joke. She’s really awesome.
Jusstin: (Laughter) Yeah, yeah. She is.
Julian: You can see where they get their entrepreneurial spirit from. I mean she is—actually your dad too. Both of your parents are super cool. Your dad’s kind of scary though. Your dad, for the longest time, I had no idea what your dad did. I thought he was like maybe like a hitman or assassin. You know what I mean?
Jusstin: Oh, we still don’t know for sure, but you know (laughter). He says he goes to work. He comes home early a lot so you never know. But yeah.
She wanted to know “what was your biggest a-ha moment in your career?”
Julian: Wow. That’s a really good question.
Jusstin: I know, a really good question. That was just like, “Wow, that’s fire.”
Julian: It’s definitely a question that you can tell comes from someone with a lot of life experience. You know what I mean? It’s kind of hard to say what my biggest a-ha moments are because there are so many. I think I have more—a lot of little a-ha moments that contribute to a lot, more than one significant one.
Julian: But my biggest a-ha moment, I honestly have to say, when I was in Houston, Texas, I was building a company, and I didn’t have really the best of leadership and took the advice of one of my uplines. I did something that—because I was young. I probably shouldn’t have done it, whatever it is. I hit a major rank, and long story short, I was homeless for about six months. During those six months, I was living in my car in Houston, Texas, which is not fun. You have to imagine. It’s super humid.
Jusstin: Yeah, it sounds gross.
Julian: And I was living in my Lexus which had leather seats and limo-tinted windows. So I would literally wake up drenched in sweat. But my biggest a-ha moment was during those moments, I still built my business and I built it bigger and faster than everybody else. I know it’s kind of cliché to say, but you’ll be surprised how strong you are when being strong is the only option you have. It’s in that moment that I was like, “Man, I’m really good at this. I can really do it.” I think the reason why most people don’t realize how good they are is because they never push themselves to that limit.
And you know what? If you were to ask me why I think most people don’t reach their full potential or admit that they’re good enough is because they’re scared. Think about how easy it is to say “I’m not good enough” or whatever it is and continue living that way. It gives you a way out, so you avoid responsibility. But the moment you say “I am good enough”, then you kind of got a look back, “Maybe the relationships, the opportunities didn’t work out because I didn’t work it.”
And so that was my biggest a-ha moment. I was like, “Oh, man. I am pretty good at this. I can make this thing happen.” From there, it kind of shifted.
Jusstin: For sure, for sure. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. So our next question comes from my buddy and your buddy, Jesse Belvin.
Julian: Jesse Belvin.
Jusstin: Shout out, 7 Figure Dad. He’s got a nice website for you guys to check out, 7FigureDad.com. He did not pay me to promote his website, but he definitely played a hand in my success. But anyway, his question is “what is your biggest failure in your entrepreneurial journey? And what have you learned from it?”
Julian: My biggest failure…
Jusstin: I know. These questions are like really—
Julian: It’s so thought-provoking.
Jusstin: Yeah. They’re like beefy questions.
Julian: Oh, man, biggest failure. What is failure? Let’s define that. I don’t know, man. We have such a weird relationship with failure.
Jusstin: We do.
Julian: I mean I think it comes from school, right? You make a mistake on a test, whatever it is, every time we make a mistake, we are literally beaten down by it.
Jusstin: Oh, yeah. For sure.
Julian: But I think failure’s a good thing. I think failure’s a huge part of success. And really, I think if you learn, you win. You know, you hear the saying “Either learn or you win”? I think if you learn, you do win.
So my biggest failure, it’s kind of hard to say. You know what? The best answer that can come to mind right now that I can create is—you know how they say “winners never quit. Quitters never win”?
Julian: I don’t necessarily agree with that. I believe there’s a lot of sayings that were taught in success that are kind of counterproductive.
Jusstin: Yeah, I agree.
Julian: It’s kind of like “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different result”. That’s one, right?
Julian: It’s kind of saying if things aren’t working out, do something else. But then there’s the other saying that quitters never win, winners never quit, and so you never quit. So it’s like, which one is true?
Julian: But I think it’s just knowing when to apply it. You know what I mean? And I think for me, the biggest failure is those moments when I know I should have walked away, whether it’s from relationships, whether it’s people, significant others, or opportunities, knowing that I want to walk away knowing it’s not serving me but not walking away soon enough. I think in those moments, probably my biggest failure is not walking away soon enough.
Jusstin: Okay, for sure, for sure.
Julian: I don’t know, man. People think it’s crazy when you walk away or whatever it is, that you’re weak or soft, but I think as long as you’re not quitting on your dreams, even if you’re quitting, but you’re doing something that you believe is going to move you forward, I think at the end of the day, whether it works out or not, it’s a great experience, that is a success.
Jusstin: Awesome, awesome. Yeah. You know, it’s funny. I kind of raise the same sentiment about never quitting and this and that and the other. People say you can’t quit and yada yada yada yada yada, and it’s just like at what point does quitting become okay? Because if you’re in the same company and you’re busting your ass and you’re working and you’re doing everything that you possibly can and things still aren’t working out for you, and it’s five years, ten years later, I feel like you should be able to throw in the towel or go do something else.
It’s funny that—I heard Gary Vaynerchuck. He said—
Julian: Really good, by the way.
Jusstin: Yeah, I love his stuff. He said, “Everything works. The thing is you need to find what works for you.”
Jusstin: So whether it be a company or a comp plan or a product.
Julian: Just don’t quit my team. I’ll find you. Just kidding.
Jusstin: A comp plan or a business or even just a way of doing business. I don’t feel like network marketing is for everybody. I don’t feel like entrepreneurship is for everybody. There are definitely people that can make really good money at a job. There are people that can make really good money being the number two or the number five person at a business. There are people that make good money in network marketing. There are people that make good money blogging. The key is to find what going to work for you, what is organic within your ecosystem.
Julian: I think you need to strategically quit.
Julian: What I mean by that is like if you feel like quitting, you have to analyze why you want to quit. Do you want to quit because it’s challenging, because it’s hard?
Jusstin: Yeah, that’s not a good reason.
Julian: If that’s why you want to quit, then chances are you’re going to quit everything else in your life. But if you want to quit because you feel like it’s no longer serving you, it’s no longer supporting you, it’s exhausted all your resources, you’re no longer passionate, you’re no longer excited—now, if you’re not passionate or excited because it’s difficult, then you’re probably going to quit everything else. But if you’re no longer passionate or excited because your heart’s not in it because you’ve given it all that you’ve got—
You know what I mean? Think about it. It’s like relationships. I mean how many people who are listening right now have been in a relationship where they know that the relationship was over not when they broke up but a long time before that. They just dragged it on, not knowing when to quit.
Jusstin: Exactly. Yup, for sure, for sure. All right.
Julian: And joining Julian’s team.
Jusstin: (Laughter) Yeah. I mean Julian’s team—
Julian: Just kidding.
Jusstin: He definitely takes care of his teams.
Julian: Our retention’s high.
Jusstin: Yeah (laughter).
Julian: Maybe it’s called the personal development club, who knows? Just kidding.
Jusstin: I know, right? So next question comes from my brother, Mr. Jordan Williams. He says, “What gets you up in the morning and what gets you motivated?” It’s kind of like a two-part question or maybe it’s one question. I don’t know. What gets you up in the morning? What gets you motivated?
Julian: What gets me up in the morning is my little brother, Alex, running down the stairs with his heavy-ass feet. (Laughter) I’m just kidding. No, but that’s really what’s been waking me up lately. I’m like, “Man, dude. There’s people sleeping. Why do you have to do that?”
What gets me up in the morning are my goals, my dreams. There’s a saying that “if you’re tired, you’re not inspired”. I definitely know when I’m inspired. When I’m inspired, time does not exist. What’s early? What’s late? It doesn’t matter. But I know when I’m in breakdown. It’s like, “Man, I feel like I want to sleep all the time. I want to void. I want to do this. I want to do that.”
But lately, what’s been getting me up is just possibility, just knowing that there’s a lot that can happen. Honestly, I have a lot of urgency in my life right now, and I guess since this is a podcast, I’ll put it out there. Thomas Edison was very famous for this. Every time he set a goal, he would publicly have everybody come around. He would declare publicly kind of give him accountability to do it. One of my goals was to be a millionaire by 30. Every year, I don’t really have a lot of urgency because I’m like, “Ah,” you know, “30 is still a long way away.” Now, I’m like one year away. So that’s what’s waking me up lately, is just you’re getting out there, like, “Fuck, I have one year left to do this.”
Jusstin: Right, right. You know what? I completely feel that pressure. People that have been watching me on SnapChat lately, especially my co-workers, they’re just like, “Wow, I didn’t know like you had all these other shit going on.” I was at work and it’s just like, “Yeah, I do because I had a goal that I set when I first got out of high school that when I hit 35, I was going to retire and just live off the money that I had made.”
Now, the path that I was going down back then probably wouldn’t have given me that opportunity. But now that I’ve been exploring being an entrepreneur and all that, it’s actually become real. So now, I’m like, “Yo,” I want to retire by the time I’m 35.” I wanted to own a Porsche by the time I was 30. I’m like, “Yo, I’m going to be 30 next year. I don’t even have”—
Julian: [Crosstalk] you’re going to buy a Porsche.
Julian: Just kidding.
Jusstin: I mean, if you let me drive it, that would be awesome.
Julian: I’m thinking about getting a Porsche actually.
Jusstin: They’re really nice, man.
Julian: GT3. I want a GT3.
Jusstin: Yeah. Yo, why are you trying to buy my dreams right now? But yeah, it’s just like I’m 29. I’m nowhere near the Porsche. I need to work my ass off, and that’s kind of where like this, you know, Amazon FBA and all this other stuff—
And it’s funny, like when you start to like declare things, when you start to like put some of these things out in the universe, the universe starts to conspire in your favor. Things start to come around.
Julian: Yeah, it’s weird.
Jusstin: It really is because I was talking about—
Julian: What’s it called? Synchronicity? Or something like that?
Jusstin: I don’t know.
Julian: It’s a big word.
Jusstin: Yeah, it’s some Ivy League word. But yeah, it’s funny. My brother came home one day. He’s like, “Yo, I want to get in to Amazon FBA. I want to sell stuff online.” I was like, “Yo, I’ve been wanting to do that.”
Julian: You don’t have to say that. The Williams brothers definitely—if you ask me who inspires me, like I will honestly say like Jordan and Jusstin definitely inspire me. And it’s a good example because it’s so weird. People feel like, you know, if you’re an entrepreneur, you can’t have a job, you can’t have this.
But look, let’s be honest, if you need to have a job to pay the bills while you’re pursuing what you want, that’s probably a smart deal. I mean look at Jusstin and Jordan. They have multiple streams of income. They still have a job. You know what I mean? That covers the bills, while they go out there and build their business, their dreams. It’s really the magic of part-time, working part-time on your living and full-time on your fortune. It just goes to show that 100% is possible 100% of the time.
So many people feel like there’s limitations. They can’t do both. They can’t do that. It’s just, “No, you’re just not willing to sacrifice.”
Julian: Some people just want to work 9:00 to 5:00. There’s nothing wrong with working 9:00 to 5:00, but if you want to make your dreams come true, be willing to add 5:00 to 9:00 for a couple of years of your life so you can get rid of your 9:00 to 5:00.
Jusstin: Yup, yup. That’s textbook Gary Vaynerchuck. You got your 9:00 to 5:00, but what are you doing from your 7:00 to 2:00? If your life is okay, you’re not complaining, you love being on the softball team or the basketball team or hanging out with your family or seeing your kids or going to the movies or going to sporting events every other weekend or whatever, if all of that is cool and you’re not complaining and you love that, then you’re good. But if you’re not, if you are complaining, if you’re not satisfied with where you are in life, you got to take a look at what’s going on and what you’re contributing to this life of yours and how you can change it.
Julian: I think the biggest thing that kills entrepreneurs is something called “death stress”. It’s kind of like when you’re building and things are not going the way you want it to go and then your doubt start creeping in and then you start looking at where you’re at, not necessarily where you’re going, and you start experiencing that death stress. I mean that kills business.
In sports, it’s cardio, right? They say “cardio is king”, right? Vince Lombardi says that fatigue makes cowards of us all. Well, guess what? Network marketing, that’s kind of the same – doubt and fear. The way I look at it as an entrepreneur, money is oxygen. Imagine as a scuba diver, it doesn’t matter how great of a swimmer you are, if you run out of oxygen, what’s going to happen? You’re going to die. I think a lot of networkers don’t realize that. They rely too much on their talent. It’s like, “Man, you can be a great swimmer. You’re a great swimmer. But if you don’t have that oxygen in that tank, which is your capital, your money, then maybe you should get a job.”
In fact, I’ve seen people do better network marketing that have jobs than not have jobs. I’ll tell you why. Because when they have jobs, they hate it. There’s more urgency, they value their time, and they work harder. The biggest mistake I’ve seen people make is that they have a job, they start making money in network marketing, they start getting results, and they go, “Oh, man. If I quit my job, put more time in network marketing, I’m going to make more money.” They do it, but they make less. The reason why is because they don’t have the urgency anymore. “I have more time so, you know, I’m going to take more time off,” and it’s just like, “Man, that’s not going to work.”
Jusstin: Yup. I have definitely been there. I didn’t quit. I got fired, but I definitely thought when that happened, I was like, “Yo, my network marketing business is going to blow the fuck up,” and it didn’t. So I’m back at a job. But anyway.
Julian: Hey, but you have a successful FBA business.
Jusstin: Yo, everything happens for a reason.
Julian: And you have time to do your podcast, which you love. You have time to do your blogging, which you love. I mean if that’s not success, I don’t know what is.
Jusstin: Yo, it’s working out. It’s working out. So the next question is kind of like—it’s actually my brother’s question, but my mom wanted to know too, and I kind of wanted to know so we’re just going to call it a fan question, a question from the listeners. They wanted to know—
Julian: Oh, how about the “Williams family question”?
Jusstin: (Laughter) The Williams family—if my dad would ask the question, then maybe this may be my dad’s question. We wanted to know what is next for you, what’s next for Julian Doan.
Julian: So the timeline—I’ll say this. For most of my network marketing career, it’s always been, how I used to evaluate companies, it’s whom I’m working with, what products am I marketing, the products make sense, are they kind of cool, or I feel like I can market it, I’ll do it, and then the comp plan. I’m not going to lie. It’s the comp plan. I mean why we build businesses? There’s no mistaking it. It’s for the money.
Jusstin: Yeah, exactly.
Julian: But now, getting a chance—because for a while, all the companies I’ve chosen was kind of out of necessity, if that makes sense. It’s like, “Man, this isn’t working out. I need something to work. What’s good for my team? We’re struggling.” But this is the first time that we chose a company out of strength. Because things were not really that bad. We knew that if we made the decision, we can make it work. So it’s really, man, our heart wasn’t in it. We’re just not excited.
Jusstin: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Julian: And so the company we’re at right now, I mean I’m not going to mention the name because there’s a lot of people out there, different companies, and stuff like that. I’m pretty sure people experienced what I’m about to share with other companies, but this is the first time I’m equally excited about our products and services as I am about the comp plan. And so I really see this company going far, like it’s been a long time.
I mean since I left my biggest homerun company out of what I believe was principle and taking the moral high ground. I’m going to be honest, man, it was kind of a struggle. You know what I mean? I left that company, go to another company, got shut down by the FTC. I love that product. I LOVE that product.
Jusstin: Yeah, so did I.
Julian: Then following my uplines to a company that was a failing company that they wanted us to revive and that’s not fun, then going to another company which is the number one giant right now, got a chance to experience that and get myself back, got a chance to heal my wings. Now, we have something where we believe we could fly, so making that happen, become a millionaire by 30, having my transformational business grow and from there, writing a book. That’s always been my goal, is write a book. I want to start a blog and start a podcast too.
Jusstin: Yo, we can link up, man. Got to be ready.
Julian: Awesome. We should get a group of people once a month to like a view type thing, just talking about everything.
Jusstin: Yeah, that would be pretty cool.
Julian: I like this. This is cool.
Jusstin: Yeah, talking here is just so much fun.
Julian: I want to start a clothing line. I don’t want to say what kind because I don’t want somebody to steal the idea. They’re out there right now.
Julian: So those are kind of my goals right now. I mean get married, have kids, start a family.
Jusstin: Alright. Cool, cool, cool. Yeah, man. We’re getting old. We probably should start thinking about that sometimes.
Julian: Hey, I don’t have any kids but I’m practicing.
Jusstin: (Laughter) Oh, man, your girl is going to kill you. So that’s pretty much it. Now, I wanted to give you a chance to let listeners know where they can connect with you further, whether that be Facebook, Instagram, if you have a personal website, anything like that, this is your chance to kind of give yourself a little plug so people can get connected with you, because I’m sure, just from listening to us kicking and talking back and forth for the last 50 minutes, that people are just like, “Yo, who is this guy that speaks really well?” He’s actually Asian if you guys didn’t know.
Julian: Don’t I not sound Asian?
Jusstin: No, really.
Jusstin: I don’t think you sound white either, but you definitely don’t sound Asian. I don’t know, maybe because I’ve known you for a while. So maybe you do sound Asian. Not racial.
Julian: [Crosstalk] right now.
Jusstin: People, I’m sure, want to connect with you further, so where can they get in touch with you?
Julian: Facebook. Facebook.com/juliandoan. I think it’s juliandoan, or is it julianpdoan? I mean you can find me. If you look me up, you’ll find me.
Jusstin: For sure, and I’ll link all this stuff up there.
Julian: I just recently deleted a lot of people because I often get maxed out. So there’s room there. Just send me a message, connect me, and then I’ll add you for sure. I don’t add a lot of people because I don’t know who they are, and it fills up fast. But if you send me a message, build a relationship with me, I’ll definitely add you. SnapChat. I’m on Instagram as well. I just changed my Instagram name. I’m playing with it so I don’t want to put it out there just in case it’s going to change later. But if you find it, you’ll find it.
Jusstin: For sure. Again, guys, I will link up all of this so you don’t need to bust out a pen and paper trying to write that down right now. It will be all in the thread or post or whatever you call where the podcast is posted. So yeah, that’s about it. That’s about the end of the show. At this point, we’re going to do the question of the day. Of course, as tradition speaks, the guest, the interviewee, gets to ask the question of the day. This is your question to ask pretty much anything you want, maybe do some market research. You get to hear from numerous people what they think about whatever the question is. It can be anything really.
Julian: Oh, so I’m asking the audience and they will respond?
Jusstin: You’re asking the audience a question, yeah. You’re not asking me a question. I’m the interviewer. But yeah. I mean just anything you want. Again, I always tell people I’m kind of stalling for you, giving you a chance to think of something, so are you ready?
Jusstin: Awesome. Here you go. Go ahead. Question of the day.
Julian: If money didn’t matter, what’s something that you would—in your life, something that you would want to do, something you would really want to accomplish that’s going to have you feeling fulfilled, happy, and satisfied? Like true to you, what would that be? My next question is, knowing that life is so finite, why haven’t you gone after it yet? So that’s my question of the day.
Jusstin: Wow, okay. Yeah, that’s actually really deep and thought—
Julian: What are you waiting for? Here’s what I tell people, man. Just imagine in your life—just imagine all the people that are closest to you, all the people that you love, the people that make you happy, the people that you appreciate, the people that you value, just imagine them. Who are they? What do they look like? What have they done in your life? What are they contributing?
Now, imagine you’ve just gotten a text message or a phone call and they’re letting you know that they’re dying. What would you do different? Would you talk to them more? Would you be nicer to them? Would you spend more time with them? Well, the reality is, is they are dying. In fact, we all are dying. Life—your life is ending one moment at a time, so what are you waiting for? What are you doing? My question is, how much longer are you going to put off what you want?
Jusstin: Okay. Cool, cool, cool. I like it, guys. So make sure you answer that question either in the little thread in the comment section below or on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, wherever I choose to post this. It’ll be everywhere. But yeah, you guys, that’s the end of our show for today. I thank you for listening in. I have been your host, the Social Introvert Dad, and I will see you guys again soon.
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Question of the Day!
If money didn’t matter, what is something in your life that you would want to accomplish that would leave you happy and fulfilled? And why haven’t you gone for it?
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